Hitchhiker’s Guide to 650 :: China

ChinaSeptember 26, 2006 5:51 pm

The rumour starts again (this is not new news people!). . . let’s remember the same rumor took place in March . . . Tom.com Eats World. At the time the rumour was that Tom.com might buy both Sina & EachNet.

If you can read chinese, here it the Sina report that mentioned the old rumor and today’s re-emergence . . .

 昨日,有关“TOM集团将在数日之内宣布全面收购eBay易趣”的消息,使得已经沉寂了半年之久的传闻再度成为最热的互联网新闻。然而,面对记者的提问,TOM集团表现得非常低调和谨慎,犹如当初对待“TOM集团收购新浪”的传闻一样。 (Sina)

I”ll maintain the same position as I had before. Tom.com is one of the most “western” of the Chinese companies (its actually more “Hong Kongnese” than Chinese). eBay has done well in its partnership with Tom.com on Skype. The acquisition is more likely to be a partnership with equity in Tom.com’s favor. I would bet on this transaction to happen eventually but not in the next 6 month. And that eBay will NEVER exit China completely.

Ofcourse, the denial happened quite quickly later in the day. TOM否认收购eBay易趣

“我们也肯定不会撤离中国市场。”刘薇在电话里告诉记者,并认为中国市场潜力巨大,eBay易趣不会放弃国内业务,而是在发展国内业务的同时会加强跨国贸易。她称,eBay易趣及贝宝中国首席执行官廖光宇最近刚刚上任,希望加强eBay易趣及贝宝两家独立运营公司的协同能力,提升海外贸易。

On a side note, the combination of Paypal and EachNet make A LOT of sense. PayPal and EachNet needs make a big bet on cross border trade (海外贸易). The only way to do that is to integrate the customer experience from search, settlement, to logistics. The ideal strategy is to attack Taobao through attacking its cash cow - Alibaba.com, a glorified but very profitable directory . . . the same way Alibaba outflanked EachNet initially. Cross border e-commerce is a nut that has yet to be cracked. There is a reason lots of trading firms still thrives. Back in the B2B days, a whole slew of companies was funded to the tunes of $50M plus to duke it out in this market . . . nothing worked . . . but the opportunity is still there. . .

ChinaJuly 21, 2006 3:55 pm

from Pacific Epoch

Tencent’s (0700.HK) QQ.com has surpassed incumbent Sina (Nasdaq: SINA) as the China’s most popular Internet portal, according to data from online traffic statistics site Alexa.com. The two-year old QQ.com has shot to success on the back of Tencent’s immensely popular instant messaging service QQ, which boasts over 200 million active users. According to Alexa, QQ.com is the fifth most trafficked site in the world, with Sina stuck at number seven. Sohu follows at number eleven. Baidu.com remains the most popular Chinese website, coming in at fourth on Alexa.

. . . 2 years! . . . .

I wonder if people is still questioning the stickiness of IM ( Meebo).

I wonder if Skype is thinking “big” in Chinese (and in all sort of foreign languages)

I wonder if Google is looking hard at this

I wonder if AOL is ready for their comeback

I wonder if MySpace IM will be even more sticky

I wonder if MSFT is trying to integrate Office with MSN Messenger (and MSN)

I wonder if in the persistent presence world of mobile desktop . . . portals are just an accessories to IM/SMS killer apps

Venture Process, ChinaJune 5, 2006 6:52 pm

Henry Gomez of eBay once famously released a one paragraph press release claiming “free is not a business model.” Of course, a few month later, eBay decided to cut (not eliminate) fees, which the press, rightly?, interprets as EBay China decides ‘free’ is a business model .

Jack Ma of Alibaba did the opposite flip flop.

We call on eBay to do what’s right for this phase of China’s ecommerce development and make your services free for buyers and sellers in China,” said Jack Ma, CEO of Alibaba.com. “Cutting prices is not enough - it’s time to make your services free and affordable for all of China’s entrepreneurs and consumers.”

So given the short attention span of the industry, Jack hoped (like Henry?) no one will remember his own crowing. Couple weeks ago, Jack announced the new Zhaocaijinbao keyword based monetization scheme. At first glance, it is a brilliant idea, using search engine keword auction mechanism to create a “monetization back door” to eventually push out free listings off the site.

Of course, the user base sees right through the scheme, and creates a revolt. (man, Taobao is more like “eBay” than EachNet is “eBay”). Jack had to apologize and write a introspective post on the boards. Next came a Taobao sponsored vote to decide if the feature stays or goes. (side note, this plus the chinese pop idol thing could potentially be a historical turning point) Thus far, it looks like the feature is going to go. . .

(China web 2.0 review has more details)

So news to Jack, you dont own Taobao, your users do.

Not even in a country like China does online users accept top-down directive. What hope does the rash of web 2.0 startups in the US have? The so called “Freemium” business model is not as easy to implement as VC’s or entrepreneurs want to believe. User will revolt if they believe you will eventually screw or ignore their needs. Better yet, they will head to the next available website playing a game of chicken with their business models.

Java never found a business model . . . I guess Taobao wont either? popularity /= ability to captured value . . . but business model tends to slow down acquisition. . . so whats there to do? hmm. . . I’m not smart enough to figure out the catch-22, maybe thats why I’m not worth billions. . .

ChinaMay 18, 2006 3:24 pm

The South Korean cigarette maker currently fighting off a hostile takeover attempt by legendary corporate raider Carl Icahn, is doing rather well at the moment. Its latest brand of cancer sticks, called Esse Soun (presumably it sounds better in Korean) has notched up record sales of 11 million packs just two weeks after its launch, giving the new brand a 9% market share. Together with the company’s six other ciggie lines, among them Lo Crux, Indigo, Entz and Arirang (they really must sound better in Korean), KT&G now controls 38% of the Korean market. And it’s all because of Icahn. South Koreans, incensed at the foreign takeover attempt of KT&G, are now buying patriotically, shunning imported products in favour of home-grown brands. “I used to smoke foreign cigarettes, but now I smoke Korean ones only,” coughed one hardened Seoul smoker. “The primary reason is Icahn’s attempt to take over a Korean company.”

From print version of HFMweek

One has to wonder if Google can ever beat Baidu . . .and finally understand why Yahoo sold out . . . and why Naver is kicking Google ass . . . and not mentioning eBay in Korea & China . . . .

ChinaMarch 25, 2006 12:47 pm

Billsdue on Eachnet . . . Billsdue on Sina

First EachNet

There have been rumors going around for a bit that Ebay has been trying to do a transformative deal in China. Apparently they were also trying for Alibaba last year but lost out to Yahoo.

Now there are reports that Ebay is going to sell Eachnet, its Ebay China operations, to Tom Online in a deal broadly similar to the Yahoo-Alibaba deal. The Eachnet CEO denies this report, but the guys on the ground are usually the last to know.

If you can read chinese, here is the article

then Sina

The speculation today (English, Chinese) is that Tom Online will buy out Shanda’s 19.5% stake in Sina, plus shares held by the recently departed Jiang Fengnian.

This deal would make a lot more sense the rumored Tom-Ebay deal, but the rumors that with this 20%ish stake Tom’s CEO Wang Leilei will take over Sina don’t make any sense. Tom would end up with 1-2 board seats, unless of course they decide to buy the whole company.

I believe that Shanda is willing to sell its stake in Sina, but not for less than $30 per share, still 10%+ above Sina’s current stock price. Tom is one of the few companies that could both afford to buy that stake and would be acceptable to the Chinese government. Sina is the number two news outlet in China after CCTV, and it is highly unlikely that the government would allow a foreign company to own that much of Sina.

in Chinese again . . . here . . . no idea what so ever if these rumors are true but Tom.com seems well positioned to straddle China and the West.

Large Caps, ChinaJanuary 26, 2006 9:12 pm

Forget search . . . browse is the new search . . . ie attention aggregator . . . according to Ash Patel, CPO of Yahoo . . . (via om)

My.Yahoo.Com is no longer a portal page, but instead an “attention page” which can be and should be leveraged to become the aggregator site for complicated digital life. Ash, who spent a lot of time on that particular page - building it I mean - agreed.

AV in Battelle’s comment section also has a good note . .

Its amazing why people miss Terry Semel’s - and Sue Weber’s - repeated assertions that Search is not really the biggest piece of yahoo. Yahoo keeps putting the ‘my’ in search, music, messenger, syndicating content. There are many non-geeks who don’t know RSS but use my.yahoo’s RSS syndication. These are the same folks who use my.yahoo.com for checking local cinema listings, temperatures and stocks

A few month ago, I felt that browse is making a comeback against search and its coming true via various “my page” incarnations. Furthermore, last night a buddy of mine told me of the rising popularity of “link portals/directories” in China. Because typing in Chinese is harder than English (but people are not English literate) and all URL’s is in English, search engine growth is being tempered by “attention” sites that create link structures to allow people to navigate the web not by search but by browse . . . just amazing how cultural difference can amplify a trend. . .

Of course for the trend to actually be monetizable for Yahoo, they need to match or exceed Google’s content ad serving technology . . . which is highly technical and data mining/machine learning based . . . This does not bode well for Yahoo because they lost the search game precisely because they didnt have the technical talent to build better search algorithms . . . maybe they can use the Mechanical Turk to serve targeted ads? :)

Venture Process, ChinaJanuary 17, 2006 10:07 pm

Last year in march, Celsius Capital was formed to arbitrage innovation diffusion between U.S. and China. At the time it made somewhat of a sense. eBay was started in 1996 and EachNet was founded 3 years later in 1999 (I could be off a little bit) with almost exactly the same look and feel/functionality. Carlos Bhola of Celsius was an investor in EachNet so he obviously have a lot of experience with these type of investments.

However, like all arbitrage opportunities, this particular gap is closing in fast. Celsius has given up the arbitrage play (I assume atleast from China to the U.S.) with Burnham departing and is focusing exclusively on China. Private Equity Week has more. (wish them luck as I know one of the guys personally and worked with others)

The technology diffusion cycle between the U.S. and China is getting faster and faster. Almost any of the web2.0 plays have a equivalent “sister” company in China. Nothing was more clear to me than when I saw China Web2.0 Review’s coverage of OPML.CN in december. It used to be that people in China would wait until an IPO (eachNet) or series A (facebook/Xiaonei.com) to start producing similar plays but an OPML manager!!!! I haven’t even started using one and there is one in China already . . . my god . . . is this good or bad? I dont know. . .

China, OtherDecember 30, 2005 3:46 pm

Red Herring has published an article on a widely known but rarely discussed phenonmenon of the co-mingling of nightlife and business scene in China. In it, Red Herring profiles the nightlife of 25-35 year old Asian American ex-pats who usually runs in the same business (private equity, consulting, banking, venture) and social (ex-pat, young professionals, english speaking) circles due to hugely overlapping demographics.

Remember Peter Chung? Back in May 2001, Mr. Chung was a 24-year-old Princeton University grad posted to Seoul by the Carlyle Group and living, by his own account, quite large. A week and a half into his new buy-side job, he emailed home telling friends about his opulent digs, about riding around in the VP’s Porsche, about the bankers who treated him to rounds of golf, banqueted him, and took him clubbing—and about his intention to bed every hot woman in Korea: “5 down, 1,000,000,000 left to go,” he wrote.

Mr. Chung’s email circled the globe, eventually finding its way to his bosses at Carlyle, who promptly fired him.

The picture he painted is familiar to young people working at investment banks, private equity firms, or VCs almost anywhere in East Asia, Beijing included. China’s tech boom has given rise to a new class of moneyed elites—overwhelmingly young, single men in their late 20s and early 30s—for whom nightlife is an integral part of business.

I have a ton of friends out in China (Shanghai and Beijing) who are living that lifestyle. What the Red Herring article doesnt mention is that similar “scenes” exist for Asian Americans in many of the large cities in the U.S. . . SF, NY, Seattle, Boston, LA, etc. . . All these was borne out a influx of asian american immigration into the U.S. the mid 80’s to early 90’s. (which I’m part of). Asian American penetration in the top universities (ivy’s, stanford, berkeley etc) began to climb in the middle of the 90’s as a result. Taking off shackles of our parents’ expectations to be doctors or engineers, we took our ambitions and work ethics and applied it to our business/professional goals instead (chasing the old might dollar instead :) ). A whole generation of Asian Americans eventually entered the work force as junior bankers, consultants, venture capitalists, and PE analysts into previously white male dominated industries . . . Driven by similar goals, education backgrounds, cultural identities, and professional expereiences they congregated together in the after hours and weekends sharing their travails. . . thus formed the beginning of the social scene.

Almost five year later we have reached a phase in our careers to not just be entry level employees but to take on increasingly important roles within our firms and companies. The rise of China as an economic power has given many of us the opportunity to take our career to the next level and create our own rules and opportunities . . . to be kings and king makers . . . (ironically the same reasons our parents immigrated to the US in the first place). So the mass reverse migration back into China began almost 3-4 years ago (the Chinese calls these Asian Americans, “Sea Turtles”) . . . one friend convincing another . . . and thus the social scene migrated BACK into China’s major cities intermingling with traditional Chinese night-life (which the article mentions at the end) to become what it is today. . .

The women aren’t working girls, Mr. Lee insists, though the assumption could be forgiven. Their bare midriffs, plunging necklines, and microshorts leave little to the imagination but he says they’re secretaries, teachers, or personal assistants, “and they all speak English.”

But there’s another woman at the table—much more conservatively dressed, doing no gyrating. Ling Ong, a Singaporean who recently completed her law degree at Oxford University, has just started a three-month stint as a paralegal. “You see the same sort of thing in clubs in Singapore or in London,” she says. “It’s just not so blatant.”

Watching Mr. Lee in action, she comments with measured ambivalence: “He certainly seems at ease with the whole scene.”

While he insists he doesn’t “party to facilitate business,” Mr. Lee estimates that 80 percent of club time is business-related.

ChinaSeptember 3, 2005 11:05 am

Ben Edleman has a good investigative piece on Yahoo’s support of adware/spyware. Its incredible how much effort and detail documentation Ben puts into his efforts. Big props and (envy) to Ben. And as aways, when Ben puts out one of his pieces it creates a lot of echo and reverberation. Threadwatch has a couple posts on Yahoo, first commenting on Ben and second on some questionable bundling tactices . Even Jeremy Z of Yahoo chimed in unfavroably while being called out by MakeYouGoHmm.

Companies make mistakes especially with affiliate, so I’ll wait until I see how Yahoo responds to the latest controversy before I proclaim their evilness for this particular issue. Yahoo’s 3721 search tool bar, however, is another issue. It is even more aggerssive than IM in installing itself into users’ machines. (not quite spyware, but close to weatherbug) and next to impossible to uninstall for a novice user. I asked a Chinese friend what he thinks of 3721 (thinking there might be cultural difference in defining acceptable web practices) and he responds.

3721 是我最讨厌的流氓软件。Can’t believe Yahoo likes it.

(translation, “its my most hated gansta software”)

So asked him, “In China do people know what spyware is ?”

and he responds . .

Of course they do. 3721 hired some windows expert to make sure it’s very tough to remove its spyware

So there you go, this is my version of investigated detective work. Quite lame and unconvincing? thought so, but I’m leaving the real work to Ben :)

BTW, Billsdue has similar thoughts here. Plus passionate defense for and against 3721 in the comment section. Also found a removal guide for 3721. Even if you dont know Chinese, you’ll recognize the window screens. . .

ChinaSeptember 1, 2005 10:08 pm

Eric Dong via Pacific Epoch

Today is Zhou Hongyi’s last day at Yahoo China. It seems like most media have forgotten this day and I have not seen any news about it, except one piece about Zhou Hongyi’s secret meeting with Zhongsou CEO Chen Pei.

Today, a friend showed me a powerpoint presentation that was made by a Yahoo China staff member, in memory of Zhou Hongyi’s efforts while at Yahoo. It seems like Zhou has a good relationship with Yahoo China employees.

The powerpoint presentation is available here:

I was going to translate it but realized that it would be hard to capture the essense of the presentation. Just by clicking through it you can see what the employees were trying to convey. Its a page by page history of the major milestones of 3721 alternating between revering Zhou Hongyi and poking fun at him (in a good way).

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