What Happens When Your Co-Founder Finds a New Best Friend
Its about that time again in the cyclical world of technology . . . when founders divorce their first love and move on to prettier, younger, more interesting other founders. . . if only because grass always seem greener. There are so many backstories that I have yet see any other blog cover. . . perhaps its not the right time to piss on the parade or perhaps its just too close to heart. Skobee is headed down that path . . . but perhaps an even more text book and high profile example. . . it’s whats going on at Edgeio. I have no inside information, and everything is just gleamed from reading and observing. Even more so, this is not an indictment on business models, the company, or the people involved . . .it is a fact of life .. . and I’ve been through it myself on both sides. . .
So what the hell is going on with Edgeio and Crunchboard (or Mike Arrington & Keith Teare)? It is kinda of obvious that Mike no longer spend much of his effort at Edgeio . . . trying to turn CrunchXXX into a media empire. Has he given up? Does he not believe in it anymore? Or at the very least, he thinks CrunchX is more interesting and have higher upside . . . Even more telling to me is that
EDIT: Apparently Mike is not a founder of Edgeio, he is a board member. As a result, his involvement is not meant to be on a daily basis in the first place.
1) ChrunchBoard is not being aggregated by Edgeio (there are no CrunchBoard listings in Edgeio)
EDIT: This is not correct, I could not find crunchboard listings at crunchboard launch but that is no longer correct.
2) ChrunchBoard’s new aggregator vision is decidedly Edgeio-esq (As Alex Bosworth points out)
The same story played out during the whole social networking crazy between Six Degrees, Friendster, LinkeIn, and host of other G1 social networking companies. . . all the founders were friends, sat on eachother’s boards, invested in their companies, and eventually took spins from an original idea and launched their own potentially competitive ventures . . .
This post is not about Techcrunch etc . . . its about using it as a case study to see what entrepreneurs can do . . . So what to do? What to do when your co-founder has ADD and moves on to the next new new thing before finishing the current committment? How to you communicate to your investors when your co-founder move on (remember VC’s like to say they invest in teams, so if 50% of the team moves on, 50% of the investment thesis also disappears) . . . Even worse, how do you raise the next round? What kind of message does this send to VC’s who are comtemplating investing in the next round. Saying that your co-founder just like to “start companies” and not execute is just an excuse . . . its the same damn excuse VC’s feed the press when they force out a founder (remember the official spin Tribe gave for Pincus leaving) . . . besides what is starting companies . . .its executing really fast
. . . VC’s can smell their own bullshit a mile away. This is what VC’s calls a “hairy” deal . . . they have twenty other companies to look at, they dont want to deal with a cap structure with baggage. . .
Ofcourse this shows that its extremely important to have vesting schedules for ALL co-founders so that no one can walk away and still own as much as the next guy. (I touched on this before) . But beyond that, what else can you do? Play nice, spin it as well as you can, and hope the business fundamentals/metrics will make it attractive enough to sustain the cashflow (through operations or financing). Ofcourse, pick your co-founders carefully, and know their value add (short term/long term) before jumping in bed . . . founding companies is by definition a risky venture . . .you have to truly believe . . . having one leg of the table being taken out can wreck havoc on the culture and morale of the company. . . (there is probably less than 10 employees) if your co-founder has a “put option” he or she might not be the best candidate . . . unless you are planning for it . . . still its hard to pitch to a VC and tell them that one of they guy they are talking to is leaving . . . LP’s dont like having partners leaving midstream either . . . they have clauses that let them take money one in case it happens. . . so VC’s understand . . . No founder leaves $100M in equity on the table just because he/she likes to “start companies” (if ~20% /= $100M VC’s aint interested in the first place).
I’ve been the ADD guy before, and I’m probably still am. . . but I’m extremely self-aware . . . I tell myself to focus, execute, build everyday much more than telling myselg to think bigger and have a new vision . . .
I dont like it (the people (sometime me), the thinking, and the culture that promotes this) . . . there is a HUGE difference between serial entrepreneurs and ADD entrepreneurs . . . starting companies is not a scarce resource/skill . . . BUILDING companies are . . .





Well, I have to have a bit of a giggle to myself over this one. Wow - the things one can dream up in the absense of hard facts.
Bottom line - edgeio is alive and well. We might well reach our first 1 million listings this week (not bad for 23 weeks of operations). The daily average per month has risen from less than 1000 in May to more than 8000 today. We have listings from over 12500 cities, from 130 cities. Try changing your edgeio city to Shaghai and check out the Chinese listings. We are in the top 3 listings sites in China already.
And then there is Mike. Mike is a board director at edgeio. He is a great assett, a friend and advisor. But he has never been operational in edgeio. So no change there. The blogosphere described edgeio as “Mike Arrington’s startup” but Mike himself has never obscured his role as co-founder and board member.
Mike started TechCrunch (disclosure I am a shareholder) over 12 months ago. edgeio launched in March (6 months ago). Mike was always co-founder and board member and I was the founder/ceo. Really, the only change is that the world is now more aware of the reality. And our investors - all know the facts and have seen no change since day 1, apart from our growth as a global aggregator and distributor of listings.
So … Sorry to dissapoint. The truth is really way more boring than the dream.
On Crunchboard - edgeio does indeed aggregate it’s listings. Check them out here: http://www.edgeio.com/site/32168725
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Again sorry to disappoint.
You are right on 1 thing. edgeio can aggregate Mike and Om’s listings today. All they need to do is tag everything “listing”, agree on a common tag (say “web2.0 jobs”) and their own tags (say “crunchboard” and “gigajobs”), and anybody could take a feed from edgeio for either one or both just by selecting the tag or tags. It’s that easy. But Mike is right - both parties have to want to do it. edgeio aggregates listings from willing publishers and distributes them to willing publishers. All that is needed is the will. Mike is also right that having edgeio aggregate is only part of the solution. Both sites would need to provide a common listing interface allowing each to charge for it’s own listings and those of the other, and agree to share revenue. edgeio will have products later this year making this possible.
Oh and on raising money .. remember edgeio raised $1.5m in December. We have 7 employees. So no need to raise $ now. We are already earning revenue and will announce our next round when it’s the right time. Trust me, it is not a hard sell given our progress.
I know you intended no harm with your piece and I hope this clears things up.
Best regards
Keith Teare
ceo/founder/edgeio
Comment by Keith Teare — August 29, 2006 @ 7:26 pm
please correct the post.
Comment by michael arrington — August 29, 2006 @ 8:35 pm
Mike,
Apologize I got the facts wrong. Board members are VERY different than co-founders. (I know I wasnt the only one who made the mistake, in many ways you promoted your association with Edgeio much like a founder/co-founder than as an board member. I generally do not assoicate board member as a co-founder/or part of founding team, my mistake) I will correct this post.
Keith,
Appreciate the long and thoughtful response. I certainly did not try to say that Edgeio is not doing well. Infact I said that the ONLY path to raising money through all this bullshit is to rely on fundamentals/metrics (which it does look like Edgeio is doing well). Goodluck with Edgeio. I do have a fulltime job so I wasnt able to respond/read my own blog until off work hours.
(offtopic, interesting that China is where Edgeio is taking off. I have many friends in China that has never been to the US but read the tech blogs (techcrunch etc) religiously. Its spreading a kind of “market economy” gospel that no cultural exchange or culturally misguided american jingoistic hand waiving can do . . .)
The point wasnt about Techcrunch/Edgeio or starting dirt . . . I hope you guys digested through the post and understood I was trying to write about a common situation that many entrepreneurs face/will face . . .
Comment by will — August 30, 2006 @ 5:13 pm